I mean he had this huge team that went out there and were doing research on ecology of vertebrates and plants and everything in Sri Laka. It was a fantastic project and I had a chance to go there. I could have studied, I was interested in vi varis and mongooses and things, small carnivores, but I knew it wouldn’t cut it with my wife ’cause we had two small kids and it, it just wouldn’t work. So I just, I was happy to work on the collection. So I got to know the people in the zoo and to supplement my salary because I was on like, I don’t know what we were living on, if it was 2000 or 4,000 a year was a assistantship at the University of Maryland. But John, through his connections, got me jobs as a specimen preparator at the MA National Museum during the summer. So I got to know the museum guys. So I met Al Gardner and Don Wilson and Hank Setzer and Charles Hanley who was Career of Mammals.
