Certainly zoo management or conservation biology. Yeah. Well, When Ted Reed lost L Grimmer, who was kind of his research man and scientist at the zoo, Ripley was pushing him to get another scientist. ’cause Ripley was all for research and science, you know. And so Ted knew that if he got a bird guy that Ripley and the bird guy would be in cahoots together if he got a researcher who was into birds. So he said, sure as hell, I’m not gonna let a bird guy be our next resident scientist at the National Zoo. So he found Eisenberg somehow, Eisenberg actually had a position out at the University of Maryland. He was a assistant professor at University of Maryland. He’d come from UBC.
