And there you learned that when you made decisions within a group with input from the group, you solved the problem. But they had exercises that you would do in a classroom setting. And the problems always got the better result when the group participated than if you had a dominating figure that wanted to call all the shots himself or herself. So, and we had, we had to take a number of those courses. I mean, they kept coming up, you know, it was like, and you had to go away for like a three day retreat and sit with people from other parts of the institution and do these imaginary scenarios. And I had, I had an interesting experience there. There was a, I was put into a group and I forget what the purpose of this whole exercise was, but there was this young gal there that was in our group, and I was supposed to advise her in rather harsh, dominating sort of terms about some problem. And then she was supposed to react with the lesson she had learned in the class, you know, diplomatically with me.
