And so we developed the fauna interest groups, which they changed the name of, I don’t think it’s active any longer. But that was another kind of niche for the biologists, the zoo biologists in the community to get involved that differed from managing the cappa populations. And you know, the little workshops developed out of that. And that took place at the a ZA meetings on various aspects of demographic management and that sort of thing. So I think that was, to me, that was the biggest thing probably that happened. There was also the growing awareness of ethical issues in the management of wild animals in captivity. But that one had been kicking around. I mean, Hager and the old timers were concerned about what was proper care of, of animals in captivity.
