Nobody had to argue their point with me ’cause I grew up in that situation from the day I was a little kid. There was no money and if I wanted to do something, I had to go work and get the money and do it. It made sense to me. So, we didn’t fight, my board and I barely ever, never fought about money because I never said to them, “Listen, we have to spend this, even though we don’t have it.” Those words would’ve never come out of my mouth ’cause I don’t believe ’em. So, but that was the grind for 40 years. That was the toughest part. You chaired the ACA’s Ethics Committee.
