Well, I was part of the start of that. I mean, by 2008, I had finished my role in WAZA, but I think a lot of the zoos stepped up. As we talked about it, all of us, of all the life forms, I mean, they’re both hard and easy. They’re easy because they’re small and you can have viable large populations in little tiny places. It doesn’t require bazillions of dollars. Hard because they’re amphibians and you’re struggling against a real problem. But I think the reception in the world’s zoos was actually pretty well received and carried forward by Gordon and then of course, Jeff Bonner was involved at that time as well. So I mean, people far better than me at creating international programs and shepherding them forward.
