Well, it’s hard to know from their real perspective. From my perspective, I consciously made a decision that seemed to be perfectly rational to me at the time which is if I really wanted to be, I really wanted to build Living Desert and I really wanted to make it something special. And this group of people, the AZA, the AZPA at that time, were people that I could look up to and I wanted to be accepted by them and I thought, frankly, the only way I ever knew how to be accepted or do anything was just to be as good as I could be at what I did. And it didn’t take too long for them to realize that I was really there for a serious reason. I wasn’t just there to party for the night or anything else. And I volunteered and took on a lot of stuff that somebody needed to step up for and I was perfectly happy to step up and do it. And then I just, again, one of those moments of luck came along in which the ACA was struggling with being a part of the National Parks and Recreation Association and weren’t very happy with that. And part of what they weren’t happy about was that they kinda, their newsletter was, they had had their own newsletter, then it got swallowed up into the National Parks and Rec’s newsletter, which wound up having just a few pages in this newsletter and the zoo directors are saying, “We’re not playground managers and we’re not this, and this is a profession.” And I agreed it was a profession.
