Well, I, I actually think in, in the last few years that I was there, there were a number of small zoos, medium and small zoos that were getting more into conservation work. Some of it was international, but a lot of it was what I call backyard conservation, where they dealt with native species. And, you know, the one thing we always push was collaborative efforts. So it was either with the local state game and fish or the game and fish and fish and wildlife service regarding some type of native species. ’cause it was easier then to work back and forth and to get, the other important thing was to give staff an opportunity to work with field biologists out in the field. I mean an animal care specialist. And that’s what I call ’em. I don’t call ’em keepers if, if they don’t wanna get out in the field if, and really see what goes on with the species they may be working with, they probably shouldn’t be in the business.
