You spoke a little facing early career keepers or curators To two curators or No, just early career people who are zookeepers or early career people who start this tour. Well, I’ll tell you what I’ve seen. When I, when I hired at Miami and I started hiring people in 81, we opened up part of the zoo in 81 down there, the new zoo. I had three different types of people. I had people that would come in with a degree in biology who had absolutely no experience in handling an animal. And so they were dangerous to themselves, so to speak, especially at our zoo, because we had big hoofstock. And then I had a group of people that would came, you know, that came from schools like Santa Fe Community College, their, their zookeeper school. And there was another one out in California, I’m trying to remember what it was that would, I remember interviews where I’d come in and say, okay, here’s, here’s the job.
