And all of a sudden after that, you, you would try to turn a female around to get her reproductive again, and it just wouldn’t happen. And so that whole topic of, of euthanasia, although it seemed to quiet it down to me, it’s still a real issue because it has hurt us with so many programs. And we’ve lost programs that we started. And, and again, zoos are confined. They have a limited amount of space, but if you manage, like wildlife managers manage, they call groups, you can maintain a species for a long term. And it’s being able to deal with that. Europeans have, they take a different view of what management is, and that euthanasia is a tool. And we say it’s a tool here, but we say it’s a tool when it’s quality of life or an idealness or something like that.
