And I started working for him as an undergrad. I actually took care of the institution’s live animal collection while I was there. And during this time, I, I just was able to spend a lot of time at school with a number of the different professors because of my interest and worked with them. And I think I was telling other people that Phil had quit Columbus High School, went down to Crane Park, which was the small zoo on Ki Biscayne, and became the education director. And that’s where he learned about beginning to build the new Miami Metro Zoo, which later became Zoo Miami. And he called me up and he said, you know, listen, they’re building this new zoo down here. You might wanna come down and take a look at it, get involved. And I went down, spent some time with him, and that’s where I met Gordon Hubble.
