Well of course it was, I would say my main and longest period of work, curator of birds and mammals in Zurich Zoo for 20 years. And there are so many stories, especially after Heini Hediger, who was a very strong director and a very knowledgeable zoo biologist. His successor was not very strong zoo biologist. And this gave me a lot of freedom to really manage the bird and mammal collection. And I was really proud in building up several excellent breeding groups. Besides the vicunas, it was a pileated gibbons, siamangs. It was Sumatran orangutan, scurangas rhinos. It was king penguins, volthra pipases and Bali mynas.
