Well, Heidelberg Zoo, at that time, was a very small German zoo. And his director kept and bred Mediterranean tortoises, and, therefore, we knew each other very well. And he was a very skeptical director. He didn’t want to have a replacement from his own organization. And so he asked me to fulfill the director work in his absence during two holidays he made. He hasn’t made holidays for several years. And for me, that was really a very, very important time because in Zurich, I was narrowed in working. I just could do my work and there were territories of other people on both sides.
