Well, of course the first studbook was for the European bison. And I knew the legendary studbook keeper, Erna Mohr. And then the second studbook and model studbook for all later ones were the one for Przewalski horses, held by Jiri Volf in Prague Zoo. And I’ve had good contacts with Jiri Volf and at that time, we have had several meetings on international studbooks, where we exchanged ideas and learned how to manage a studbook. At that time, of course, long, long before computers, we wrote two stud cards for every specimen. A pink one for a female vicuna and a blue one for a male vicuna. And one stud card was retained with the studbook keeper. The other followed the animal from zoo to zoo.