Heini Hediger, of course, was my hero up there. And he learned to know me more in detail in August 1959, when two kea parrots from New Zealand escaped. And at that time, kea parrots were a rarity. And we lured them back into their aviary with the help of a third kea and I closed the opening. And this was a great relief for Heini Hediger. And he asked me to join him in his office and he handed me over several reprints with dedications. So that was from Heini’s site property, the first time he remembered me.