It was a very difficult time for me. I was vice president. I became Vice President of Frankfurt Zoological Society and most board members and the staff of Frankfurt Zoological Society were mostly conservation minded. So it was very difficult decision. Several staff members wanted to create a new friends of the zoo organization. But I was very much against it because it was already difficult enough to tell the people what is Frankfurt Zoo and what is Frankfurt Zoological Society. So a third organization would have complicated the whole thing. And that’s one point I didn’t succeed what I wanted to achieve.