And as zoo director, I always answered, I’m responsible from arm to gorilla because it’s dangerous, as a zoo director, to name a species and everybody thinks, oh, he’s just working for this species. But after being retired, I can say, if I would have to name one species, it probably would be the gorilla. And so we planned and built an extension to our ape house. And we started a gorilla group and this was really from the scratch, two of the breeding successes. We, at that time, still bought two pairs of siblings and half siblings, young hand-reared animals, from Stuttgart Zoo. And for me, it was very clear, we give away the males and get in another male. I got a third female and I gave away the first male. I added a male from Chertsey Zoo that was intended to be the breeding male.
