Well, that was quite a difficult time for me because when the successor of Heini Hediger retired, I applied for directorship of Zurich Zoo and my colleague and friend, Alex Ripple, became director. And that was a very tough time for me. Heini Hediger helped me very much. He told me I have the best position you could think of in any zoo because I became, instead of director, I became assistant director. And Heini mentioned, as assistant director, you are closer to animals. You are in a position to make a lot of important decisions but you don’t have to take all the responsibility. And this helped me really very much. And I’m very, very glad that Alex and I, we get along very well in the meantime and have an excellent relationship.
