In November of ’85, we officially started it. And there were the same points. I was asked as non-director to start the rules, to provide the rules. I was asked to name the species with which we should begin. It was 19 species. I was asked to suggest coordinators and then the directors approved them in November ’85. And one problem was that, especially German zoos, at that time, still ask sometimes quite high prices for animals. Whereas, the Dutch zoos and the Scandinavian zoos gave the animals free.