Well, as I just mentioned, I think Bill Conway and Uly Seal really are the fathers of the SSP, the species survival programs, in North America. And the British people soon followed with the joint management of species group. But in both cases, it was much, much easier than in continental Europe because in North America and in the British Isles, there are two countries. They are more or less one language, if you do not consider French in Canada. There are three countries. And in continental Europe, the difficulty was much, much bigger because I think we were 23 countries having zoos in continental Europe. We have had more or less 23 national zoo organizations. We have had almost 23 languages and we had the Iron Curtain at that time that divided Europe into very, very strictly into two different parts.