But at that time, we had a lot of old-fashioned fellows and so we were excluded. So in, I think, 1977, what was later on called, we founded the Bamberg Rebellion, it was in the German Bamberg and we were about seven, eight, nine curators who thought, we should be included in the German zoo director’s association. And we wanted to prove to the directors that we meant it serious. We didn’t start our own organization. And we were in conform with the German zoo directors. Only member zoos and full-time scientific assistants and curators were allowed. And we just met once a year for exchange of ideas, for lectures and so on. And this we did for, I think, four years to prove to the zoo directors that we mean it serious to cooperate with the zoo directors.
