Well, he, the measurement of jumps in circus animals, this was done much, much earlier by Hagenbeck. So this was not the field in which Heini was interested since it doesn’t relate to the human-animal relationship. And by the way, one of his books, unfortunately only three of his books were translated into English. He wrote, I recently counted it for a colleague, I think about 11 books or so. And one book has a German title (speaking in foreign language) which is a excellent title because in German it means understanding animals and animals understand. And so this is, for me, one of his typical books, where he shows human-species relationship.
