This was rather in his early years, until the ’50s, early ’60s, but he retained good relationship with the circus. And I think that is one of the fields where time changed. In my mind, even as a student of Heini and admirer of Heini, in my mind, nowadays, it’s no longer justified to have wild species in a circus, especially endangered wild species. But I think Heini wouldn’t understand this because he was interested, as I said, in the individual relationship between specimens of humans and of animals.