We had two curator mammals and one was there carmie. And then I came in and we just, you know, overlapped on on and split some duties and stuff. But, and I had worked with Car Ma at, at the park too. So we were both coming to the zoo. It was, you know, when you work for a guy like Jim Dolan, you’re pretty much on your own. He doesn’t, he doesn’t give you a lot of feedback unless he’s mad about something. But he was a collector, you know, back then, that was a good word. Now it’s not. But, and so he was always interested in, in getting a new species.
