Oh, that was, this is just special. Now, who were the senior staff at the zoo when you become the curator of mammals At, at the zoo then it was Jim Dolan now had moved from the park to the zoo and he was director of collections. Art Risa was the general manager. And Doug Myers was a, the newly hired director. And then Chuck Beeler was there. Chuck was always a very good friend and supportive too. So that was pretty much the senior staff. I mean, you had lower people down, like Larry Kilmore, Carm Penny.
