They called Jack Hannon. They didn’t call Bill Conway. They didn’t call the experts. They called Jack. So Jack, Jack was a figurehead for us. But some of the real scientific people think he made, he, he, he kind of degraded our profession by clowning around on tv. It’s a double again, it’s a, there’s, there was bene I think the benefits outweighed, you know, the, the, the, you know, the, the humor and the, and the ridicule sometimes that people placed on Jack or that he, that he attracted to himself. But he was, I had him out to Houston to speak at a gala, and he was a big draw. We raised over a million dollars that night, you know, for conservation. So that’s what Jack in the end, Jack, that’s what that Jack wanted to do.
