’cause they’re, they’re organizations. They have so much power. Yeah, well, I, I, I did associate myself a lot with some of the NGOs, non-government institutions, especially with Conservation International with, ’cause Russ Meyer was there, a friend of mine. And then of course, you know, the, the, the Waza community, the World Association Zoo and Aquariums and, and, and the, the conservation groups. I remember them telling me that Peter Seligman, who was the head of Conservation International, he goes, I don’t understand why zoos can’t do more for conservation. They should be a powerhouse. He says, I have an organization. I don’t have live animals. I can’t bring people to, to, to, to, you know, to pet a ride or feed a giraffe.
