I think it’s important, first of all, for their own psyche. If you’re gonna sit in your desk all the time and just be in meetings all the time and worry about things, you are gonna get depressed. You’re not gonna enjoy your job. Nobody sees you. No. You know, you, you’re, you, you’ve gotta get out there and, and, and talk to and talk and not just superficial stuff. You, so you, you’ve got, you’ve gotta make an effort, especially the, the non-Animal Zoo directors. I did it a lot. But I, but, but I also had other people. I sometimes I got in trouble. If you do it too much. I’ve seen zoo directors get fired because they, they, they, they spent too much time going on trips and, and, and going to see projects.