Well, I think it’s a double-edged sword. Sometimes it’s too much education and not enough hands-on. Experience is what seems to be the trend now. And they think they can solve everything in front of a computer and, and, and just day to day to data. But you’ve gotta, you’ve gotta, you’ve gotta be out there. That’s how it all started with most people. You know, you, my, I was second grade grade of visiting the Bronx Zoo. That, that certainly had a lot to do with, with enlightening this New York City kid.