And this was mainly my part, but I was involved also in research project field projects in which is in nowadays, what do you call it now, the upper, it was named Zo Boso. There was one successful project run by the Americans, by the way, in Tonga, Tanzania there, a third one in Nigeria. And I had the chance to go everywhere. And when I was in Africa, this was my first safaris into the wild to see elephants in giraffes, et cetera. I combined it, I extended my stay, my official stay for a few days to see something from the RA and the foreigner. Ultimately though, you leave the universities and in 1981 you become director of the Cologne Zoo. And the position was offered or you wanted to be the director. I applied for the, what we say for the admission, not admission advertisement of the PO position.
