Well, this citation I received from Kar, and he was the director of Zu and he didn’t show up very much in international pro conferences because he didn’t speak English, but German fluently and Russian et cetera. So we were very good friends. And this was 85 when we had our anniversary, he sent me this citation and I found it so good that I always used it in many cases, including in my book, because I think he is right. You have in your book called Zoos Emergency Exits to Nature.
