He was there a very short period of time. And he, and he taught me to, (chuckling) he taught me to watch out for him because he, he was careless about animals. He nearly got us all eaten by, by very angry female lion with cubs one day, cause he nearly let her out amongst us. But Steve was an interesting good guy. I mean, he was a, he was a good guy and he was an interesting guy. And, you know, without speaking out of turn too much, it was, you know, cause his, he was from a artistic family, but his dad was Bev Kelley who ran the St. Louis Opera and his uncle was Emmett Kelly, the clown. But I wouldn’t say that Steve was, he was only zoo director technically for a year. And actually he was only zoo director for six months.