And plus because the National Zoo had the resources to communicate. So our first, you know, our first kind of formal communications within zoo vet were because of Clint Gray. And when we started going to East Lansing to Michigan State, Clint helped sponsor a bit at that. And they did, and did the, you know, did the conference reports and all of that. And he had a huge, huge impact on, on the zoo world. And as far as veterinary medicine, and then of course he hired Mitch Bush, which was, who’s been one of our, as far as the diagnostician and the practitioner, one of the great ones. Just jumping back.