And that was, that was the extent of, in those days, you know, of our, you know our communications and then, and it really kind of remained that way until about 1968, when we actually broke off and formed the, I think 68, in the American Association of Zoo Veterinarians and had our first meeting in East Lansing, Michigan. But it was, yeah, it was, it was word of mouth, telephone and, and those mimeographed case reports and, you know the things that we didn’t know were profound. I mean, we didn’t know what was normal if you pull blood, it could very well be the first time that you had ever pulled blood on that species or, or anybody had ever pulled blood on that species. So now you’ve got, you know, now you’ve sent it into the lab.