And he said, you know, it looks to me like what you guys need is a, is a good physiological norms database. You know, at which time Clint Gray said, you know, don’t you blankity, blank, blank, blank think we know that. (laughs) Clint was, he failed tact and could put a sailor to shame for profanity, and wasn’t shy. Anyway. So the discussion went around, and Ulie introduced himself. He’d given the two papers that day, but nobody knew him. And he introduced himself. And the fact that he was head of labs at, and ran all the labs at the VA and that he could and would, if we’d collect the blood, that he would do all the lab work for free.