Well, I walked away with a profound dislike. I don’t want to say hatred, but it might’ve been, for politics and politicians and bureaucracy. And I think that’s pretty much stuck with me. So yet to this day, because I mean the big, you know, the amount of energy that’s wasted on bureaucracy and politics and politicians in a lot of institutions around the country, around the world is just, if you could take that same energy and put it to work on something useful, you know, like animal husbandry, animal care conservation, that, that dislike or hatred, if you will, whatever cost me a job. In about 1965, I interviewed for the director’s position in Oklahoma City, which kind of would have been back home. You know, my folks were in Oklahoma. Marie’s folks were in Oklahoma. I’d spent all those early years volunteering at the Oklahoma City Zoo.
