And, you know, when it came time to do the gorilla valley, about 23 years later, that individual came full circle and, and signed on for gorilla valley and then for the orangs and then for the elevator, and then for the second half of our conservation center to the tune of, from, you know, one contact about over $30 million from one contact. But there was a 23 year span in between the first contact and actually, you know, the first donation. Yeah, so I am, there’s not a single answer, but in every instance, you know, we, we had an idea, we had, you know, and you need, some people can visualize, some people can’t. Some people you simply, one of the lessons we learned early on was unless somebody was an engineer or an architect, you don’t go walk in with a roll of, of architectural drawings. You, you walk in with some elevations and renderings and you put color on them and you put little stick figures and bushes on them. And then you do a whole series of things for the desert dome, for instance, we actually made a geodesic dome that we carved a in-house in the zoo, and at home at night, we carved the styrofoam model of the deserts of Namibia and the mountains and the sand dunes and everything, and of Australia and of Kuiseb Canyon and of the Sonoran desert and painted the styrofoam model. And you gotta have something to show. And particularly if you’re dealing with a potential donor who is not an architect or an engineer who can visualize, and not all engineers can visualize, you know.
