I mean, when you had a problem, you got on the phone and said, okay, here’s my problem. And, you know, and I think the key to that is not, is not being afraid to tell somebody that you don’t know, that you need help because it, you know, interestingly enough, if you ask for help, almost anybody will help you. But if your ego won’t let you ask for help and say, I don’t know, I’ve got a problem. I don’t, you know, I don’t know. So early on, I think, so there was this, there was this whole group of people around the zoo world that, that we’d simply get on the phone and say, hey, we’ve got a problem. Or we, you know, are, have you ever seen this or have you ever done this or whatever. And, and we got all kinds of help. And then fairly early on, we had no staff to speak of.