They, they, you know, they, they’re kind of desk bound by the book types who really don’t, you know, who really don’t have that connection, that touch with their, with the animals. And that’s how a lot of mistakes are made because you can’t, you know, you can’t just have a, a by the book, one, two, three, four, this is what you do approach. I had a, I had an old guy once that I hired, and he was Polish. He had been a beef layer in the, in the packing house. I hired him when it was really early on, when I was really desperate for a night man. I needed a night watchman to make sure that the furnaces were all burning. He came in with his son-in-law. His son-in-law did all the talking, and we were desperate.