I don’t have an interview and a curator position at Singapore came up. I applied, they got straight back in touch with me, flew myself, my wife out to have a lookie and an interview, obviously very interesting place, fantastic zoo, amazing animal collection. And so it was like, okay, right. There was nothing else on, on the card. So took the job there and had a, a three year contract and it was really useful to have had three years experience in a tropical zoo with all the unique problems that you have in the tropics in a zoo that you don’t have in a temperate zone zoo. So our idea of vermin wasn’t so much mice and rats and cockroaches, but spitting cobras, black scorpions, and very large reticulated pythons that were trying to kill your monkey collection. And, and then in 2008 you leave Singapore and you become head of Living collections at the Highland Wildlife Park and you win the British and Irish Association of Zoos and Aquarium First Trailblazer Award for a revolutionary polar bear exhibit.
