And the it penny dropped, the first polar bears I ever saw was a kid, as a kid, as a would’ve been, well from memory, a 4-year-old were the first polar bears I worked with as a zookeeper, obviously quite a long lived species. And so yeah, Jim and Queenie, who were actually both female, they, it was like that, that link with my, my childhood and I mean, it took me best part of 30 odd years for that realization came to the forefront of my brain. But now I just, I could not envisage working in any other field at all. It’s, this is, this is what I do. I’ve been, I was in a, doing a zoo inspection with my, my former boss, Simon Tong, when we were both here at London and we inspecting a zoo on the isle of white and we’re sitting outside after it was a lovely summer day, having lunch, that picnic table. And the owner was asking us about our backgrounds. And the difference between Simon and me was that Simon would go to great lengths to see something in the wild for me. I’d much rather go to a zoo that I’d never been to before.
