Basically a little bit of making an argument for it. The, one of the other collection managers wanting to step away from that side of things with the, with exotic animal sections. And it, it was my aspiration curator of mammals at London Zoo. Certainly in the UK scenario, and maybe to an extent internationally, certainly within the uk it held as much kudos as most other director positions. So it was one of the golden jobs. And so after watching Zoo Time as a kid with Desmond Morris, I now have his job. But yet in 1999, you leave London Zoo to become the director of the Rome Zoo.
