There’s a, a quote which I’m, I might not get exactly right, but, and I think it was in the early 1920s and, and Hornaday the, the first director of the, of the Bronx suit, he said, you know, given our experience, we will never see an adult gorilla in captivity. And nowadays, I mean, you go to, you know, Jersey or Hollet or Lincoln Park or the Bronx, and you’ll see big healthy breeding groups of gorillas. So obviously we did eventually crack that problem. Were there casualties along the way? Yes, there was. But then that is true of almost every species whose husbandry we now take for granted. There was a learning process at the beginning of that species captive history.
