They might talk about how well there used to be 60 million in America and now we’re, you know, the population’s increasing. There’s a few thousand. But the zoo community, specifically the Bronx Zoo, had a role to play in establishing one of the herds that exists to this day. I think these classic examples of the bison, the shaky horse, the Arabian orx, the golden line, Tamara and the newer ones of the ferret, the condor, the, the modern de, the partial snail. Now I think it’s important to, you know, talk about examples of, of species that aren’t as charismatic. I think if people are going to understand about the job that they do in zoos and as importantly get the conservation message across to their visitor base or their, the media or politicians or fundraisers, whatever it might be, is knowing those, those classic captive conservation success stories. And I think we’re, we’re in an era now where there are some new ones and I would, I would be interested to, to go out into the zoo and grab a couple of keepers and write, you know, gimme a couple of the classic examples of, of of, of zoo conservation success stories. And I think it would be interesting to see which examples they rolled out and, and knowing things like, I mean, until very recently I’ve just handed it over to colleagues at Zoo Berlin. I manage the European bison, EEP and you know, and for me it was a real buzz because here we’re dealing with a species that was the first subject of a zoo based studbook.
