I mean, Haney, I mean, he was director of Burn Basel and Zurich in that order in Switzerland, hugely influential. I read his original work, wild Animals in Captivity, I think when I was 16 or 17 I think. And Man and Animal in the Zoo not long after. And it was just, it was, I still refer to them, I still refer people to them. I believe there was a study done and I, I, I really must try and get hold of it. I think Ken Kta may probably know about the study, but it was, this guy looked at all of of header’s work and, and his reputation and the, the one sentence summary was Heger was never wrong. And I, and you know, you know, people nowadays they talk about, okay, we’re, yes, we’re training animals and we’re doing enrichment and we’re trying to feed a natural diet. And Heger was talking about this in the fifties and sixties and in the forties, you know, when, I mean I’m talking about when this work was the first English translations, I mean wild animals in captivity, I think it was 44 or 45 I think it was published.
