I went back to, my parents still lived on Long Island and I went back for a visit and, and of course I visited the Bronx Zoo. And again, you know, I was curious that, you know, any vacancies, I got an interview with the head of, I suppose what we passed for HR and said, right, you know, you show up in a couple months, you know, give you a job. And so went back to Scotland and went through, I had to go through the immigration process again, which in those days, getting a green card was not particularly difficult, particularly when your parents or lived in the States and, and got a job at the Bronx Zoo. ’cause it was, you know, it was the Bronx Zoo, you know, this was a serious Sue Edinburgh. I was still an important collection, but a fairly parochial one at that time. So getting offered a job at the Bronx Zoo and then sort of rocking up and it turned out it was me and one other guy that were the only recent, well actually we were the only keepers that had previous zoo experience. Everybody else had been Bronx Zoo man and boy. And who was the director at the Bronx Zoo when you were there, Bill Conway.