And, and I’ve always been a, a key advocate, both of, of honesty and transparency about what we do. And in particular, if we’re going to manage animal populations long term, there are tricky subjects that we need to grab hold of with both hands. And, and I think the, the, the discussion, the reasons for using euthanasia as a population management tool, I think has been key in, in my time. And I’ve certainly played a role in trying to open that discussion out. A new one I think is dealing with geriatric animals. Historically, you would’ve seen, okay, it’s mass, the gorilla at Philadelphia Zoo, it’s his 50th birthday. And there was a time when animal longevity was a, a a a measuring stick for how well you were, you were able to look after this species or that species. Then it became being able to breed the animal.
