How often did you, it was very simple. And if you had any references that way people, if they had a taper, they could go to that and say, oh, mark Rosenthal always a taper. I could call him and find out more. So it was good. So I was the editor of that sort of notebook. I think that gave me some a ZA notoriety. So the job in Sacramento came up. I knew a little bit about the job and I applied, I guess I applied, obviously did some interviewing and stuff.
