Yes. From the very, I don’t know what got me interested in animals. My father was sort of like an engineer. My brother was an engineer. My two sisters did, did some work, but were basically housewives and, but I always had an interest in animals. We had a cat and, but I would go to the oil fields and Baldwin Hills or some other fields and collect frogs and toads and had little in the backyard. I was able, my, my, my parents didn’t want me to have a dog ’cause they didn’t think I was responsible enough. But I had all these animals behind the garage. Toads and lizards. Lizards in various cages and stuff.
