Well, that’s when I met you. I went to a conference when we used to have regional conferences in Sylmar. And when my master’s thesis, which I never really turned in, but I, I didn’t think it was on mother infant behavior of Ur Horn orx. And they accepted me to give that paper in Ilmar. So I gave this paper in Ilmar at my first conference. It was a regional conference by the way, I’ve been a member of a ZA, which was az you know, pa, the ZBA, I’ve been since 1972. So I, then I started seeing ads of other jobs and stuff. So I went to Ella Lamar and I gave the talk and I think there, I interviewed for the children’s zoo manager, my name Landis Bell had left.
